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KATIE DAVIS,
Host: The United States said today's attack on Iraq was
provoked largely by Baghdad's refusal to allow U.N.
weapons inspectors free access to the country. Iraq has
periodically interfered with the work of a U.N. special
commission, set up after the Gulf War to oversee the
elimination of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. We
asked Raghida Dergham, senior diplomatic correspondent for
the London-based Al Hayat newspaper what reasons Iraq has
given to explain its actions.
RAGHIDA DERGHAM, Senior Diplomatic Correspondent, Al
Hayat: The Iraqi justification has been a history of what
it calls the use of the special commission for other than
the U.N. purposes, however, that relationship had had a
lot of ups and downs, but largely had accomplished quite a
bit, in fact the chairman of the special commission once
said that his commission had accomplished much more
through the work than it has done over the last two years,
much more than the bombs that fell on Baghdad two years
ago. So, this has been a relationship of up an down,
however, this last showdown, if you will, it seems that
the Iraqis wanted to force the issue of the no-fly zones
in both north and south Iraq. First, through separating
these zones from the U.N. resolutions and secondly,
through probably forcing that the problems of the no-fly
zone through the special commission and finally, they kept
backtracking and the Iraqis kept backing down to the
extent that this morning they did make the offer of
accepting the special commission's routing from
[unintelligible] so long as the commission would guarantee
that American, British and French planes do not fly in the
southern zone of Iraq during the flights of the special
commission.
DAVIS: Yes, much of this recent confrontation over the
past few weeks has centered on the no-fly zones. Remind us
when they were established and why.
Ms. DERGHAM: The no-fly zones have been established in two
different stages, first the no-fly zone in the northern
part of Iraq was established to help the Kurds there. And
the United States likes to say that Resolution 688, which
is the only resolution not adopted under chapter seven of
the charter, had given the United Nations the right to
criticize Saddam Hussein and try to oppose oppression of
the Shiites in the south and the Kurds in the north. So
the first no-fly zone was imposed in the north and then a
few months ago, another zone was imposed in the south and
again, it was by the three countries. It is incorrect to
say these no-fly zones have been endorsed by the United
Nations because there is no U.N. resolution, no Council
resolution that has endorsed them, so therefore,
technically speaking, yes, these imposed by the three
countries of the coalition and not by the Security
Council.
DAVIS: Although this past week, U.N. Secretary General
Boutros Boutros-Ghali, responding to the earlier bombing
of Iraq, said that Iraq had brought it on itself by not
respecting U.N. resolutions.
Ms. DERGHAM: Yes, in the general sense, but if you were
discussing the no-fly zones, they are not based, nor
authorized by a Security Council resolution. Now, even the
spokesman of the secretary general said so. However, if
the defiance of Iraq of several or of U.N. resolutions in
general is what the secretary general had in mind, then
it's justified, but certainly no-fly zones are not based
on, they may be infiltration to be based on Security
Council resolutions but there is no resolution that
authorizes them.
DAVIS: Why do you think Saddam Hussein is challenging the
United States and its allies right now? What's he trying
to achieve?
Ms. DERGHAM: Well, I think it was a, it has been a very
personal vendetta and I think he's been trying to draw
President George Bush into something, or at least into an
engagement, though he's been backing down quite often
before attacks normally, however, he just wanted to cause
embarrassment to President Bush and show him as the man
who would be provoked and take action and back down and
that sort of thing, but I think it is not, at least if we
read what the ambassador of Iraq or the British prime
minister has been saying about the Clinton administration,
this might change, particularly that the Iraqis want
definitely to divorce the Clinton administration from the
promise made by George Bush himself to link his
continuation of the embargo with the fall of the regime of
Saddam Hussein.
DAVIS: In his speech today, Saddam Hussein, he raised the
issue of Kuwait and at least based on the English
interpretations that we're reading, he seemed to be
reasserting Iraq's claim to Kuwait. How do Arab countries
feel about a claim like that?
Ms. DERGHAM: Arab countries never, even those that had
supported Saddam Hussein two years ago and no longer
support him now, but even those, never really endorsed
Saddam Hussein's claim to Kuwait, so Arab countries have
not been a partner in welcoming the invasion or the claim
that Saddam Hussein has on Kuwait. They differed on the
ways and means of how to resolve the issue, but they never
endorsed the claim of the Iraqis.
DAVIS: Well, thank you very much for speaking with us.
Raghida Dergham is the senior diplomatic correspondent for
Al Hayat, an Arabic daily based in London.
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