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GEORGE W.
BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Saddam Hussein has to got
understand that we expect him to conform to the agreement that he
signed after Desert Storm.
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BERNARD
SHAW, CNN ANCHOR: While meeting with an ally in Mexico, President
Bush warns an old United States foe. We will have live updates on
the air strike against Iraq. That includes the latest from Baghdad
on injured in the aftermath of the attack.
Also ahead,
Bill Clinton's pardon problem: Is it tough for a former president to
conduct damage control?
ANNOUNCER:
From Washington, this is INSIDE POLITICS with Judy Woodruff and
Bernard Shaw.
SHAW: Thank
you for joining us. Judy is on assignment.
Speaking in
Mexico a little over an hour ago, President Bush called the first
military action he authorized a routine mission to enforce Iraq's
no-fly zone. The United States, along with Britain, launched attacks
against five military command-and-control centers near Baghdad
today. The Pentagon says the sites posed an increasing danger to
U.S. and British patrol aircraft.
We begin our
coverage at the Pentagon with CNN's Jamie McIntyre -- Jamie.
JAMIE
MCINTYRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Bernie, it's true that the United
States and Great Britain have been attacking Iraq almost every other
day or so since 1998, but this strike was not routine. For one
thing, it was heavier than usual, and for the other, it was outside
the no-fly zone.
Above the
33rd parallel, which is northern boundary of the no-fly zone, U.S.
and British planes, F-18s and F-15s and Tornadoes, flying up to the
edge of the zone and then using stand-off weapons to attack five
radar sites. The Pentagon insisted today that the attack was not an
offensive strike but in self-defense.
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CLIP) LT. GEN. GREGORY NEWBOLD, JOINT STAFF DIR. OF OPERATIONS: The
military operation was conducted because the Iraqi air defenses had
been increasing both their frequency and the sophistication of their
operations. Both the frequency and the more sophisticate command and
control of their operations had yielded an increased threat to our
aircraft and our crews.
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MCINTYRE:
Now, the Pentagon says five sites were hit, five target areas. Four
of them were above the 33rd parallel. These were all radar sites, or
command and control sites, for which radars were being used to look
down to the southern no-fly zone to give Iraqi gunners and missile
technicians a better look.
Here is a
picture of the type of radar the Pentagon says it took out today, in
these strikes in southern Iraq. And in order to accomplish this
without crossing over the 33rd parallel, the U.S. used the latest
stand-off weaponry, including the AGM-130, which is a
optically-guided bomb that can be guided from the back seat of an F-
15.
Here we see
some shots that were taken from the war in Yugoslavia in 1999 that
shows the accuracy of this weapon, this stand-off weapon that can be
fired from some distance away. So, that was technique employed in
order to take out these sites without actually crossing into the
airspace around Baghdad.
Now, the
United States says it's not limited to going in that airspace, but
did not want to fly into the teeth of the Iraqi air defenses, didn't
want to take a chance and that's why these stand-off weapons were
employed. Twenty radars altogether, the Pentagon believes it
accomplished what it wanted to do in making the sky safer, and again
the U.S. insisting that this was in response to Iraqi provocations,
the continued effort to shoot down U.S. and British planes and was
not an offensive action -- Bernie.
SHAW: Jamie,
since the United States and Britain knew where these command and
control centers were south of Baghdad and the one north of Baghdad,
does the Pentagon assume that Saddam Hussein will rebuild and
relocate these command and control centers?
MCINTYRE:
One of the things that's not clear is whether any of these targets
were the same targets that were hit back in 1998 during Operation
Desert Fox, when targets around Baghdad were hit, whether these were
in fact rebuilt areas from that air strike. But the U.S. says if it
has to keep hitting things over and over again, if it has to keep
going back and hitting those air defense sites, it'll do that in
order to ensure the safety of its pilots.
SHAW: Thank
you, Jamie McIntyre with the latest from the Pentagon. The attack
against Iraq played out while President Bush was on his first
international trip to Mexico. Our senior White House correspondent
John King is traveling with Mr. Bush -- John.
JOHN KING,
CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Bernie, this was to be
the carefully choreographed first steps by this president on the
world stage. He came to this familiar place, Mexico, to meet with a
familiar face, President Vicente Fox, but all the while President
Bush knew before the day was out he would be talking about his
decision to authorize the first offensive military action of his
presidency, the strikes we just heard Jamie McIntyre explain,
against Iraqi air defense sites near Baghdad.
Mr. Bush,
we're told, was briefed at the White House yesterday and told that
in the view of the commanders on the ground in the region, these
sites posed an increasing threat to U.S. and allied pilots. At that
time, Mr. Bush gave an immediate go-ahead.
He was in
meetings here with President Fox when he receive word through the
White House situation room, relayed to National Security Adviser
Condoleezza Rice, that the operation was in the view of the U.S.
officials, a success.
Later,
speaking to reporters here in Mexico, Mr. Bush made clear there
should be no doubt that this new administration is committed to
aggressively enforcing those sanctions imposed against Saddam
Hussein at the end of the Gulf War.
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BUSH: Saddam
Hussein has got to understand that we expect him to conform to the
agreement that he signed after Desert Storm. We will enforce the
no-fly zone both south and north. Our intention is to make sure that
the world is as peaceful as possible, and we're going to watch very
carefully as to whether or not he develops weapons of mass
destruction, and if we catch him doing so, we'll take the
appropriate action.
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KING: Now,
these strikes come at a time when the administration is trying to do
more to help the internal Iraqi opposition to Saddam Hussein, and as
we watched President Bush today out in public, his first public test
as the commander-in-chief, it was also a reminder that while he is
new to presidency, he is surrounded by many veterans of the Gulf
War.
Dick Cheney,
of course, the vice president, was defense secretary at the time,
and here in Mexico with the president. Condi Rice, his national
security adviser, she was a deputy in the previous Bush
administration, and the secretary of state, the man charged with
building the diplomatic support for keeping those sanctions in
place, of course, is the retired General Colin Powell, the top U.S.
military commander in Operation Desert Storm -- Bernie.
SHAW: John,
a quick somewhat off-beat question, admittedly. But are members of
the president's staff trying to avoid gallows humor such as Saddam
Hussein now facing Bush II?
KING: They
make no reference at all and they refuse to make that. They say this
a consistent U.S. policy carried from the end of the Bush
administration through the Clinton administration. They make no
secret of the fact that they believe Saddam Hussein from time to
time acts deliberately and provocatively to try to interfere with
U.S. policy in the Middle East or around the world.
They can't
say for sure this was a test of the new president, but they do say
for sure that he will continue to authorize such strikes if
necessary, although the president was at pains today to call this
routine, saying he had to approve it only because it was planned a
day in advance and that the pilots in the air and the commanders on
the ground in the region have full authority to enforce those
sanctions against Saddam Hussein -- Bernie.
SHAW: Thank
you, John King, traveling with the president of the United States in
Mexico. Well, by our watch, it was about four hours ago when
explosions echoed in Baghdad and anti-aircraft fire erupted over the
city. It is now after 1:00 a.m. Saturday morning in Iraq, where
CNN's Jane Arraf is standing by -- Jane.
JANE ARRAF,
CNN CORRESPONDENT: Bernie, we have just received a statement from
the Iraqi government, the first statement since the attack, and it
seems to be billing this attack as a prelude to a holy war.
President Saddam Hussein has just had a meeting with his
Revolutionary Command Council and the Baath Party leadership.
In his
statement, he says that if anyone needed proof that the United
States was allied with Israel -- and Iraq does not call it Israel.
They call it the "usurping Zionist entity" -- then this attack was
it. He says that this is proof of their evil intentions, and that it
is just a prelude to a coming attack by Israel on the Palestinians
and on the Arab nation.
In the last
few weeks, we've seen a ratcheting up of the rhetoric here in Iraq
with President Saddam saying that he would, if he could, attack
Israel, and launching a drive for what he calls six million
volunteers, here, to go and liberate Palestine.
Now in terms
of the attack, the Iraqi government has released pictures of what it
says are civilian casualties. In one of the main hospitals, it's
said just shortly, that the first casualty, a woman who had been hit
by the attack, had died in hospital. It's now taking reporters to
the site. We'll have more details coming up -- Bernie.
SHAW: Jane,
one question. In President Saddam Hussein's push to get the
sanctions against Iraq lifted, what is the significance of his
linking his cause with that of the Palestinians?
ARRAF:
During the Gulf War, 10 years ago now, President Saddam Hussein was
a very strong symbol of what he called the drive to liberate
Palestine. There were massive demonstrations in the streets in
support of him because he is seen as one of the very few Arab
leaders on the street who stand up to the West.
He is again
take over that role. While other Arab nations have been what Iraq
says are too silent on what's going on, the increasing conflict in
the West Bank and Gaza, because Iraq, says, of their relationship
with the United States, Iraq has taken the lead in condemning the
violence and not just condemning it, in sending money to Palestine,
in rallying troops, in training what it says are volunteers who will
actually go and fight against Israel.
This is a
way for him to regain support in the Arab world, not just in terms
of the Middle East conflict between the Israelis and the
Palestinians, but in terms of the push to get sanctions lifted. The
feeling being that the U.S. is not an honest broker, that it is
aligned with Israel against the Palestinians, against the Arabs, and
that the sanctions now in place against Iraq for the past 10 years
are just another example of that anti-Arab bias by the U.S. as Iraq
describes it -- Bernie.
SHAW: Jane
Arraf with the very latest from the capital of Iraq, Baghdad. Thanks
very much. We have now live on the telephone former Secretary of
State Henry Kissinger. He speaks to us from Kent, Connecticut.
Dr.
Kissinger, in your judgment, is Saddam Hussein making headway in the
Arab world in his effort to get sanctions against his nation lifted,
especially with his linking his cause to that of the Palestinians?
HENRY
KISSINGER, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: Yes, Saddam has made headway
for two reasons: One, because all the various sanctions and U.N.
inspections that were set up have gradually disintegrated, and
without reaction by United States; and secondly, because of the
failure of the Middle East peace negotiations under our aegis. So,
for both of these reasons America has looked less imposing in the
area.
SHAW: I know
it is not lost on that you the United States and Britain prosecuted
the air strikes today and not France. My question is in your
judgment, how fragile are the sanctions against Saddam Hussein?
KISSINGER:
Well, the sanctions are being violated at least by subterfuge by too
many countries. On the other hand, the United States has absolutely
nothing to gain abandoning sanctions. That will only encourage the
other radical regimes in the region.
So we cannot
just abandon 10 years of effort as long as Saddam Hussein is in
place. And Saddam Hussein can escape the sanctions if he produces
credible evidence that he is not producing weapons of mass
destruction.
SHAW: One
last question, during the just concluded United States presidential
campaign, at one point in the campaign trail then- candidate Texas
Governor George Bush said that if he took office, and if it were
found that Saddam Hussein was developing weapons of mass
destruction, he, Mr. Bush, quote, "would take him out," unquote.
Is there a
risk that this son of a former United States president, George
Herbert Walker Bush, might take this all personal in his dealings
with the Iraqi government and the president of Iraq?
KISSINGER: I
don't think so. I think the action that was taken by the president
today is the right action. I believe that we have no way out with
respect to Iraq except to insist on the agreements on which the Gulf
War was ended. And from what I have seen of this administration, it
acts with very careful deliberation, and not on the basis of any
personal feelings.
SHAW: Dr.
Henry Kissinger, former secretary of state, joining us live by
telephone from Kent, Connecticut. Thank you very much.
Some more
perspective now on this day's events in Iraq and the overall U.S.
Policy in region, we are joined here in Washington by Michael
O'Hanlon. He's a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. Your
first blush reaction to all that's been happening the past few
hours?
MICHAEL
O'HANLON, BROOKINGS INSTITUTION: The main thing is this is a
continuation of existing policy. I don't see any major change. Mr.
Bush may have overestimated the degree to which he could make that
argument and have a visit to Mexico otherwise unimpeded by his first
major military action. But this is not unusual in the context of
what we've been doing for last 10 years. It's a tactical response to
new Iraqi tactics, but it's not a shift in strategy.
SHAW: So
from the Clinton to the Bush administration, U.S. policy on Iraq is
seamless?
O'HANLON: So
far. I believe the Bush administration will do a more substantial
review of its basic Iraq policy. There are people in this
administration who would like to aid the Iraqi resistance, for
example, with arms and consider even using U.S. air power in
military strikes to help those forces on the ground.
I'm not sure
if they will win the debate, but that's a debate that's still
unfolding in this administration. We just don't know. They may
rethink the basic approach to the no-fly zone. They may, for
example, reduce the number of airplanes, and do more of these
retaliatory strikes when necessary, like we did today rather than
enforce the no-fly zone on day-to-day, hour-to-hour basis. I think
those kinds options will be considered. So far, we don't know the
result.
SHAW: What
impact do you foresee in the Middle East, especially within the Arab
countries?
O'HANLON:
Well, our position just went from bad to a little worse, but that's
sort of a continuation, again, of what's been happening for 10 years
with the Arab-Israeli peace process broken down such as it is, with
the Iraqi people still suffering under sanctions, even though we've
tried to find ways to alleviate their suffer, but that hasn't really
helped. In this context, it's just going to make things tougher on
Arab street to maintain sanctions, to maintain our military
presence. But I think those two basic cornerstones of our policy can
be sustained, it's just going to be tough.
SHAW:
Putting yourself in the shoes of Arab leaders, how much pressure are
they under to support Saddam Hussein?
O'HANLON:
Well, they're in a bad position because they can't really support
us. I'm not sure they have to support Saddam, but they have to show
some sympathy with Iraqi people. They have to show some resistance
to a Western-Israeli front that Saddam has tried to create image of
in people's minds in region, and they really have to worry about
being seen too close to us. I'm not sure they have to worry about
supporting Saddam directly, but if they are involved, even
implicitly, in military operations against fellow Arabs and that's
the perception on the street, that's a political problem for them.
SHAW: And of
course, the situation was far different 10 years ago when Syria and
Egypt deployed troops with the coalition forces.
O'HANLON:
That's right, and certainly in the case of Syria, in the case of
Jordan. Of course, Jordan was never firmly behind the coalition, but
we're seeing a sliding and we're seeing these countries return back
to, in a sense, the political positions you would expect them to
occupy based on the realities of what's going on in street in their
own countries. But the key is will Saudi Arabia and Kuwait stand by
these Western operations. Those are the real keys.
SHAW:
Michael O'Hanlon of the Brookings Institution. Thanks for coming
over here so quickly.
O'HANLON: My
pleasure.
SHAW: More
on this day's military strike against targets in Iraq after a quick
break. We will join CNN's Christiane Amanpour in London for the
latest on Britain's role in today's air strikes.
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SHAW:
Today's strikes against Iraqi targets were carried out by a mix of
U.S. and British aircraft. For the latest on what British officials
are saying about the strikes, we join CNN's Christiane Amanpour in
London -- Christiane.
CHRISTIANE
AMANPOUR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Bernie, significant that it is
really only Britain that can continue to support the United States
in these military actions and in maintaining sanctions on Iraq. What
everybody is calling a coalition is really whittled down to just the
United States and Britain.
And so
Britain, today, submitted six of its fighters to this operation.
There were 24 planes altogether. Britain had six of them. According
to a Ministry of Defense spokesman, they targeted six targets inside
Iraq. There's a slight discrepancy with what the Americans are
saying. They're saying five targets. I'm sure this will all come out
in the wash when we get more details.
But the
British are saying six targets, Their planes came from an air base
where they were stationed in Kuwait, They say that they struck the
targets successfully, although they will not be able to have a
complete bomb damage assessment until daylight hours where they're
able to go over and check really just how much they took out, and
whether it was entirely successful, as they had hoped that it would
have been.
In any
event, the airplanes went back to base and went there safely.
Politically, a Downing Street spokesman from the Prime Minister's
Office is saying, that this was quote, "a measured and targeted
response to an increase in threat by the Iraqi military on the
ground towards British and U.S. planes that are patrolling the no-
fly zone."
And they're
saying this increased threat was particularly visible in January, in
the last few weeks of this year. Compared to the entire of last
year, they had more threats in one month of this year. So, this is
why, they say, they have taken this action.
In terms of
how they coordinated with the United States, it was on a ministerial
level. The British minister of defense, Geoff Hoon was in
consultation with the United States. Prime Minister Blair was not in
consultation, we're told, with President Bush. This was done at the
ministerial level with obviously, Blair authorizing and being kept
apprised of the action as it took place -- Bernie.
SHAW:
Christiane, I suppose the British government is indicating that it
will remain vigilant in these kinds of operations should more be
needed?
AMANPOUR:
Absolutely, I mean, the British have taken a very similar line to
the United States in that they feel that this is the only way to
contain Saddam Hussein. I think everybody knows that this is not the
most satisfactory policy, but it is the only policy that they have
at the moment: Keeping sanctions on, responding to a threat when it
arises, a military threat, and trying to as they have said it, they
quote, keep Saddam Hussein in his box. Basically try to keep him as
unthreatening as possible.
But it is
very interesting, that this comes at this particular time. You've
got the 10-year anniversary of the end of Gulf War, which now in
retrospect looks to have been concluded not totally satisfactorily.
You've got a new American administration, and you've got an American
administration that is saying that it is now reviewing its policy,
that it's going to decide how to proceed.
It wants to
reenergize sanctions, which is going to be difficult given the
intense opposition from around the world to the sanctions. It's
already given a lot of money, millions of dollars it's just released
to the Iraqi opposition group, which actually is based here in
London.
So all these
new developments going on. And you know, some people have been
saying that this appears to have been a tough signal from the new
U.S. administration that, hey, we're new, but we're here, and this
is what we're going to continue to do, much like the Clinton
administration did.
SHAW:
Christiane Amanpour reporting from London. And for more of a global
view of this day's air strike, we're joined now by Toby Harndon of
the British newspaper, "The Daily Telegraph"; and Gil Tamary of
Israeli Television and in New York, Raghida Dergham, the senior
diplomatic correspondent for the newspaper "Al-Hayat"
Raghida
Dergham, I'd like to start with you. What reaction are you hearing?
What are you getting?
RAGHIDA
DERGHAM, "AL-HAYAT": Well, of course, there is a mixed reaction from
different parts of world, but there is also a mixed signal coming
out of Washington, and I say that because yesterday the secretary of
state, Colin Powell, was at the United Nations making statements and
meeting with other permanent members on the security council, trying
to save that consensus that has disintegrated amongst the five
permanent members, speaking of possibility of accepting Iraq back
into, to use his words, as a progressive member of the international
community if it delivers cooperation.
And then, of
course, in 10 days, there is another scheduled meeting between the
secretary-general of the United Nations, Kofi Annan, and a
delegation from Iraq to discuss, to have a dialogue on how to get
out of the status quo and bring in a better understanding of what's
needed.
So, this
coming in-between, I think, is sending a sort of mixed signal, but I
think the signal that the administration wanted for the Iraqis to
get is don't be overconfident. Beware, we're willing to review, but
you also must know that we're there also in complete readiness when
you try to target us too much on the no-fly zone.
SHAW: And
the Israeli correspondent, Gil Tamary, what are you hearing? What
are you picking up?
GIL TAMARY,
ISRAELI TELEVISION: Every time that there is an American activity in
Iraq, the Israeli people become alert. As you know, Bernie, we just
ended a few phone calls with Israel and everyone wants to know if
it's something sporadic or it's real change in the American policy
because you must remember that the Israelis are the ones that are
living in this tough neighborhood, and every Israeli still remembers
that Saddam Hussein launched missile against Israel when he was in
the conflict with U.S.A. during the Gulf War.
So in
Israel, the people are very concerned, and they think they are very
encouraged to hear the things that Colin Powell said just on CNN
last week, when he said that if Saddam Hussein will continue to
produce a mass destruction weapon, the United States will be after
him. I think it is very encouraging signal.
SHAW: And we
check up with Toby Harndon of the British newspaper, "The Daily
Telegraph" -- Toby.
TOBY HARNDON,
"THE DAILY TELEGRAPH": Well, I think in Britain, it's seen very much
as a continuation of previous policy. But there are also two other
aspects to this. I think it's seen as sending a very strong message
to the Iraqi people and to the world that 10 years on after the Gulf
War, we've got a return to -- you've got Bush's, George Bush
Senior's son as president. You've got Cheney. You've got Powell.
And I think
there's a sense in Britain that this is a message saying that we
will finish off the job that we didn't quite finish off properly 10
years ago. I think it also reasserts the idea that Britain is the
United States' principal ally, and it comes just a week before our
prime minister, Tony Blair, comes to Washington to hold talks with
Mr. Bush at the White House and at Camp David.
SHAW: Well,
that was a point I was going to raise with you, Toby. In a sense, do
the United States and Britain feel that they, if you will, are the
lone rangers now with France having backed away from being a staunch
coalition supporter?
HARNDON:
Yes, I think there are certainly elements of that. I think there are
also tensions within Europe over the national missile defense
program and also over plans for a common European defense policy, a
rapid reaction force. I think Britain sees itself as very much the
bridge between Europe and the United States, and this will be a
message that Tony Blair will want to reinforce when he comes here
next week.
SHAW:
Raghida Dergham, are these strikes likely to help President Saddam
in the Arab world?
DERGHAM:
Superficially maybe, yes, but that is because the environment, the
regional environment is really quite upset about the continuation of
the sanctions to begin with. But then there is the Israeli factor,
if you will. As my colleague from Israel has been saying, the Iraqis
having weapons of mass destruction, in the Arab mind, there is an
absolving of Israel when it has the nuclear bomb and the weapons of
mass destruction, and there is a concentration against Iraq only.
And that's
where Israel becomes the complicating factor in the American policy
in Middle East from the point of view of the majority of the Arabs.
And then also you have a problem with the no-fly zone. Some
countries, and Iraqis in particular and a lot of members of the
Security Council, they say that this is not authorized by the
Security Council. So, then the grounds for it are shaken,
And finally,
if I may point out to the problem of the Israeli- Palestinian
negotiations and failure of the negotiations, Mr. Saddam Hussein
might like to make himself the hero of the Arab street and I don't
think he will be. These are two issues that do meet every now and
then, but the problems between the Palestinians and the Israelis are
tackled and looked at independently from the problems of the Iraqi
people who are suffering because of the sanctions and everything
else. So I think there is going to be a review now, but at any rate,
it's -- it's too early to see if there is going to be a new policy
or not.
I think in
Washington there is a lot of debate and fight amongst the newcomers
to administration. Hopefully reason will prevail.
SHAW: Gil
Tamary, Ariel Sharon, the prime minister-elect, of course, was a
former defense minister of Israel. Presumably he would applaud the
action taken by Washington and London today?
TAMARY: Of
course there is no question about it, because Saddam Hussein is a
threat to Israel. We saw it during the 10 last years, and
furthermore, if we look about the Bush defense, anti-missile defense
program, this is something that the Israeli new government and the
Israeli existing government is for, and they want to see it as soon
as possible. You must remember that there is American support and
aid in the development of the Arrow missile that is some weapon that
try like the Patriot to deal with the threats in the region from
countries like Iran, like Iraq, like even Syria that is a much
closer neighbor of Israel.
SHAW: Gil
Tamary of Israeli Television; Raghida Dergham, the senior diplomatic
correspondent of the newspaper "Al-Hayat"; and Toby Harndon of the
British newspaper "The Daily Telegraph." Thank you all for joining
us on such short notice. Thanks very much.
DERGHAM:
Thank you very much. Thank you.
SHAW: You're
quite welcome. And there's much more ahead here on INSIDE POLITICS,
including live reports from New York and the State Department right
after the break.
Also ahead,
Bill Clinton's new reality. How his status as private citizen
affects his response to the Marc Rich -- Marc Rich pardon
controversy.
And later,
political conservatives find strength in numbers and count the
reasons to rejoice with Bill Clinton out of office.
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SHAW: And
now for more on this day's airstrikes on Iraq, we turn now to the
diplomatic front. CNN senior United Nations correspondent Richard
Roth is standing by in New York, and State Department correspondent
Andrea Koppel is here in Washington.
Richard,
let's find out what you can tell us about the diplomatic reaction in
New York first.
RICHARD
ROTH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, we can give you the most immediate
reaction, which occurred just moments ago from Iraq's new U.N.
ambassador here in New York, Muhammad al-Duri. He said -- quote --
"Just like any Iraqi, we're disappointed." However, he said he has
not been briefed yet by Baghdad.
This new
ambassador certainly going to get jolted now. He's barely presented
his credentials to the United Nations, and he was set to
participate, along with the foreign minister of Iraq, in high-level
talks with the United Nations officials, including U.N. Secretary-
General Kofi Annan, in about 10 days. There's no word yet if those
talks are going to be postponed.
Diplomatic
reaction, though, certainly hones in on the big five, the Security
Council. It's their resolutions, the Council's resolutions, under
which the United States and Britain unleashed these air assaults.
One Western
diplomat, not the U.S. or Britain, said he was stunned by the
bombings when informed by CNN. Stunned, especially because at a
meeting on Wednesday U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell stressed a
tone of dialogue and compromise with the other big powers in a
meeting he held with them at the United States mission to the U.N.
One Chinese
diplomat said: "We condemn this bombing by the U.S. and British
airplanes. We are opposed to the use of arms without the authority
of the Security Council." Of course, Britain and the United States
believe they have the authority under existing Security Council
resolutions -- Bernie.
SHAW: And
quickly back to Washington and the State Department. Our
correspondent there, Andrea Koppel.
Secretary of
State Colin Powell is due to go to the Middle East. Will this really
complicate his mission?
ANDREA
KOPPEL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Bernie, it certainly won't make it
any easier. Secretary Powell traveling there at the end of next week
with two objectives: one, to try to urge restraint between the
Israelis and the Palestinians, and perhaps get the peace process
back on track, and the second objective is to try to re- energize,
to try to rebuild support for existing sanctions against Iraq.
He's going
to be meeting with a number of leaders within the moderate Arab
world, Bernie. They are under tremendous pressure from their own
peopled, especially considering the violence of the last five months
in the Palestinian territories and Israel, to lift those sanctions.
Watching for
the last 10 years, seeing pictures coming out of Baghdad of
suffering Iraqis, today, again, seeing pictures of wounded Iraqis.
This is, of course, Saddam Hussein's effort to play on the emotions,
which he's done so well, of the Arab world -- Bernie.
SHAW: Andrea
Koppel, thanks to you at the State Department, and in New York,
Richard Roth.
When we come
back, Robert Novak and his "Reporter's Notebook" with some new
information regarding the airstrikes today in Iraq.
(COMMERCIAL
BREAK)
SHAW: Here
now to talk about the airstrikes against Iraq, Robert Novak of "The
Chicago Sun-Times," "EVANS & NOVAK" and "THE CAPITAL GANG." And your
"Reporters Notebook."
Bob, do you
see an exit strategy by the Bush administration in its policy toward
Iraq?
ROBERT
NOVAK, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: Absolutely not. It seems to me it's
the same old policy of being tough and of no compromise, but no
strategy for winning the war either. So we have these incidents and
probably lose support in the Arab world. The coalition has dwindled
down to two countries now, the United States and the United Kingdom.
The
interesting thing, Bernie, is that talking to a lot of people in the
administration, and I have never found anything, any talk about Iraq
outside of the campaign. And suddenly, there's this -- this sort of
an institutional attack on Iraq. And I don't see any way of getting
out of it. And I think it's a distraction also from an
administration, which everybody has been telling me this week, the
most important thing is to get their
tax cut
through.
SHAW: In the
United States, there's an old saying: All politics stops at the
water's edge. All planes return safely. On Capitol Hill, will the
107th United States Congress back this policy?
NOVAK: Oh,
absolutely. I would say that one of the rarest breeds in Washington
or American politics is a friend of Saddam Hussein. They just don't
-- they just don't make them anyway. And you're not going to lose by
looking tough, and particularly if you're not having any loss of
American life.
The problem,
Bernie, though, is that, as we talked about before, the exit
strategy of where you go from here. Is this a popular issue? Is this
something that the American people are going to really be engaged
in? That's something that I doubt.
And I would
say that it didn't come at a particularly good day. It was President
Bush's first outing. The people in the Bush, in the White House have
been talking to me about how this Mexico trip was going to be his --
really set him off in his first foreign policy question, of course.
We're not
talking about Mexico now. We're talking about good old Iraq. So
politically speaking, I don't think it was very helpful.
SHAW: Robert
Novak, thanks very much.
This word
for you, our viewers around the world. We are awaiting a briefing
from President Bush's national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice.
She will be speaking from Mexico. And of course, when she addresses
the reporters down there, we intend to go and bring it to you.
Up next,
political news: from the difficulties of being the former president
to the conservative reaction to the new administration.
(COMMERCIAL
BREAK)
SHAW: We are
looking at Cristobal, Mexico. This is the site where National
Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice will be briefing reporters on the
airstrikes in Iraq, north and south of Baghdad, earlier today
Washington time. And also, this is also where, of course, the two
leaders of Mexico, President Fox, Vicente Fox, and President Bush,
held their summit earlier.
As soon as
Ms. Rice steps up to brief reporters, we're going to take you there
live.
Meantime,
former President Clinton and the city of New York today agreed on a
deal that would allow him to locate his new office in Harlem. A city
department held the lease for -- she is coming out now, I'm told.
Condoleezza Rice is coming out now. We're going to interrupt
reporting that story and take you live there.
While she is
approaching the microphones, I will say the obvious, that this is
the first world event of important magnitude to be publicly
addressed by Condoleezza Rice as national security adviser to the
president since the Bush administration took office on January 20th.
CONDOLEEZZA
RICE, NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISER: I'd just first like to say that I
think that this meeting was an absolutely wonderful start to a new
U.S.-Mexican partnership.
President Fox and President Bush issued a communique, which you
heard read by the two foreign secretaries, that I think gives us a
very good basis for
moving
forward. They agreed that they are going to address problems as well
as opportunities in a spirit of friendship and cooperation. And
we're very excited about the new leaf that is being turned over in
U.S.-Mexican relations. And I look forward to working with our
Mexican counterparts well into the future.
Questions?
QUESTION: If
I can go straight to Iraq? What can you tell us about when the
president was first informed about the situation in Iraq, who
informed him, what kind of deliberations there were, and how and
when he made the decision?
RICE: Well,
I'm not going to get into the decision-making processes that we
have. But let me just say that we have four enforcements of the
no-fly zone since we have been in office.
It is a
fairly routine occurrence, because the United States enforces the
no-fly zone with its coalition partners. And the only thing here is
that there are some enforcement actions that require national
command authority authorization, as well as notification. This is
one of those. But we have to realize, this is quite a routine act,
and it is aimed at making certain that our pilots are safe in the
theater.
(CROSSTALK)
QUESTION:
... enforcement, Dr. Rice, also require this, sort of,
authorization?
RICE: There
are different levels of authorization that are required, but I can't
go into the decision-making here. Only to say, that we routinely
enforce the no-fly zone. It is done, and we do whatever we can to
make certain that our pilots are going to be safe. These were assets
that were threatening to American and coalition partners in their
efforts to enforce the no-fly zone.
QUESTION:
Can you tell us what it was that triggered the review at this level,
as opposed to the others?
RICE: I
can't get into how the operating procedures work, only to say that
under this circumstance the president was notified and did
authorize. But this is a long-standing policy. There isn't any
change in policy. This has been going on since 1991. And I think you
would find that there were enforcement actions of this kind, as
well, in the past.
QUESTION:
Did the planes fly from Saudi Arabia?
RICE: I'm
not going to get into operations on the ground. Can I refer you also
to the Pentagon? They've been briefing on this and you may want to
take any more detailed questions to them.
QUESTION: A
question on drug certification: What assurances...
SHAW:
Condoleezza Rice, President Bush's national security adviser,
addressing reporters there in Mexico where the president today
earlier with Vicente Fox, Mexico's president. She said that she
would not get into the United States military decision-making
process. She described what happened today as a fairly routine
occurrence, meaning enforcing the no-fly zone in northern and
southern Iraq. And she said that what happened today was designed to
make certain that United States pilots as well as British pilots are
safe in the theater.
And she said
that these are assets that were threatening, meaning the Iraqi
command-and-control radar sites. She said that these were assets
that were threatening to the pilots, and they meant to be sure that
the pilots could fly safely.
One quick
translation: You heard Ms. Rice's Mexican counterpart, Enrique
Berruga, speaking briefly after she spoke. And my quick, rough
translation indicated he was extolling positive relations between
Mexico City and Washington. He projected that over the next four
years they look forward to having positive and beneficial relations.
INSIDE
POLITICS along with all the developments on the airstrikes in Iraq
will continue in just a moment.
(COMMERCIAL
BREAK)
SHAW: Former
President Bill Clinton is having problems and CNN national
correspondent Eileen O'Connor reports that Mr. Clinton is finding
life after the White House is much different when it comes to
managing public relations.
(BEGIN
VIDEOTAPE)
EILEEN
O'CONNOR, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Former President Bill
Clinton continues to assert that contributions made by Marc Rich's
ex-wife had nothing to do with his decision to grant the fugitive
oil financier a pardon. However, as a private citizen, former
President Bill Clinton is finding it harder to get his case heard
than when he was President Clinton. He's even suffered damning
criticism from his own party.
SEN. CHARLES
SCHUMER (D), NEW YORK: It does not matter that the fugitive was
enormously philanthropic. Pardoning a fugitive stands our justice
system on its head and makes a mockery of it. O'CONNOR: Political
analysts say former presidents lose their control over the party
faithful.
CHARLES
COOK, "NATIONAL JOURNAL": I think for a lot of Democrats on Capitol
Hill there's a feeling of, look, I gave at the office, I've defended
this guy for eight years and I'm not doing it anymore.
O'CONNOR: As
president, Mr. Clinton had a Rose Garden where he could appear
presidential. He could change the subject to national security or
the economy. There was always Air Force One to move the focus of the
press off the latest investigation. And he always sent out aides to
the talk shows to make his case.
COOK: Even
if he were still in office, it would be hard to defend, but at least
he could make some other news, he could shift another direction and
try to deflect the news coverage a different direction. This time he
can't do it.
So you know,
I think he's kind of stuck with it.
O'CONNOR: As former president, he was able to change the subject
once by
moving his
choice of office space to economically deprived Harlem. His lawyers
are not saying whether he will agree to testify on the pardons
before Congress, as some lawmakers have demanded.
Some former
advisers and prominent Democrats say Mr. Clinton should make his own
case, but directly to the people.
REP. CHARLES
RANGEL (D), NEW YORK: I would say that he should on his own explain
to the American people the reasons for why he did it and try to
shatter some of the cloud that's over his reputation.
O'CONNOR (on
camera): But some political analysts say the best thing the former
president could do is go underground by taking a long European
vacation, giving a few speeches there until all this dies down.
Eileen
O'Connor, CNN, Washington.
(END
VIDEOTAPE)
SHAW: There
is much more ahead on INSIDE POLITICS. In our next half hour, we
will continue our coverage of the U.S. airstrikes against Iraq with
reports from Jamie McIntyre at the Pentagon and national security
correspondent David Ensor.
INSIDE
POLITICS will be right back.
(COMMERCIAL
BREAK)
SHAW: Saddam
Hussein's military command-and-control centers struck at some key
sites by United States and British warplanes. Is it a sign that
George Walker Bush is getting tough with the Iraqi president?
ANNOUNCER:
From Washington, this is INSIDE POLITICS with Judy Woodruff and
Bernard Shaw.
SHAW:
Welcome to our CNN International viewers around the world and
welcome back to INSIDE POLITICS.
The Bush
administration says the airstrikes launched against Iraqi military
targets near Baghdad were an act of self-defense. But President Bush
apparently is trying to send a message as well to a regime that has
defied the United States and allied partners since Mr. Bush's father
was president.
Our Jamie
McIntyre is following the military angles at the Pentagon -- Jamie.
JAMIE
MCINTYRE, CNN MILITARY AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Well, the Pentagon
says, Bernie, that this all began because U.S. pilots patrolling the
southern no-fly zone began coming back from their missions reporting
that there were some missiles and gunfire that was a little too
close for comfort. Now, the Pentagon began analyzing the situation
-- U.S. commanders in the region -- and they decided the problem was
a series of radars and control centers around Baghdad just outside,
just north of the no-fly zone above the 33rd parallel. The solution,
they decide: they had to be taken out, and the Pentagon says it had
no choice but to take them out in self-defense.
(BEGIN VIDEO
CLIP)
LT. GEN.
GREGORY NEWBOLD, JOINT STAFF DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS: It reached the
point where it was obvious to our forces that they had to conduct
operations to safeguard those pilots and the aircraft. As a matter
of fact, it -- essentially a self-defense measure in conducting the
operation.
(END VIDEO
CLIP)
MCINTYRE:
Pentagon sources say more than 60 planes were involved in the
operation, hitting five targets around Baghdad about 9:30 at night,
Baghdad time. The targets they hit included more than 20 individual
radars at these five separate sites -- U.S. Air Force F-15s and Navy
F-18s. The F-15s flying out of Kuwait and Navy F-18s used the latest
in high-tech weapons to take out more than 20 of the radars, like
this one. These are pictures the Pentagon provided, showing the type
of radar that was used.
They used
the latest stand-off weaponry in order to conduct the strikes across
the 33rd parallel without actually crossing. Here we see one of
those weapons, an AGM-130. This cockpit video showing how the bomb
is optically guided by the backseater in an F-15 to its target. A
very accurate weapon that allows the plane to fire it from miles
away without having -- getting to get too close to the Iraqi air
defenses.
So, a
24-strike aircraft using the latest in standoff weaponry hit these
five weapons sites. The Pentagon insists that they think they did
the damage they need to do to improve safety for U.S. pilots
patrolling the no-fly zone. And the Pentagon insists that this was
not some new, more muscular
employment of
the enforcement of the no- fly zone, but simply a response to a
concerted effort by Iraq to get better at trying to shoot down those
U.S. and British planes -- Bernie.
SHAW: Jamie,
a question about the Iraqi strategy in the attempt to get better.
Was it the installation of these radar, these command and control
centers, away from the south?
MCINTYRE:
Well, apparently Iraq must have thought that if it put these -- if
it used radars that were not actually in the no-fly zone, that they
would be in sort of a safe haven up near Baghdad, and then they
could relay the information down to the gunners who are in the
southern no-fly zone.
But the
United States has said all along that it does not limit itself to
striking only when fired upon or only the individual weapon systems
that fire upon it. Anything that it thinks is a threat, it considers
fair game. And in this case, it decide that these five different
areas and 20-plus radars were what was really endangering the lives
of the pilots. And so, again, the solution, take them out.
SHAW: And
one other quick question on tactics: 24 aircraft -- attacking
aircraft involved, but you report more than 60 aircraft were
involved in the overall operation. I assume that AWACS and other
types of planes were involved?
MCINTYRE:
Well, the rest of those were support aircraft. One of the very
important jobs is performed by the EA-6B, which is a jamming
aircraft; it jams the radar. And the Pentagon says that when these
planes did go in they did have some sporadic anti-aircraft fire and
even some missiles that were fired, but those missiles were fired
without the benefit of radar guidance, and so they had very little
chance of actually hitting the aircraft. That's because of the
jamming and also because of the Iraqi gunners on the ground are well
aware that if they turn the targeting radars on, the U.S. planes
that are escorting those planes have radar-seeking missiles that can
come right in on them. So they're very reluctant to do that.
SHAW: Jamie
McIntyre with the latest from the Pentagon.
The Iraqi
air strike overshadowed President Bush's first trip outside the
United States since taking office January 20.
CNN's John
King traveled with Mr. Bush to Mexico.
(BEGIN
VIDEOTAPE)
KING
(voice-over): His first steps on the world stage were carefully
choreographed. A familiar place and a familiar face.
But
President Bush knew as he celebrated a new chapter in U.S.- Mexico
relations that, before the day was out, he would be explaining
U.S.-led military strikes against an old nemesis.
GEORGE W.
BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Saddam Hussein has got to
understand that we expect him to conform to the agreement that he
signed after Desert Storm. We will enforce the no-fly zone, both
south and north.
KING: The
president authorized his first military operation Thursday, after
being told Iraqi radar and air defenses near Baghdad posed an
increasing threat to allied pilots.
BUSH: Some
of the missions require the commander in chief to be informed. This
was such a mission.
KING: The
president said he was determined to keep the post-Gulf War sanctions
in place and to keep a wary eye on Iraq.
BUSH: We're
going to watch very carefully as to whether or not he develops
weapons of mass destruction. And if we catch him doing so, we'll
take the appropriate action.
KING: Mr.
Bush was at ranch of President Vicente Fox when he received word the
operation was over, and he tried to keep the focus on his decision
to make Mexico his first international stop.
BUSH:
(SPEAKING IN SPANISH)
KING:
As predicted, no major agreements, but upbeat talk about friendly
cooperation as the two neighbors convene talks in the weeks ahead to
discuss the flow of illegal immigrants and illegal
drugs from
Mexico to the United States.
PRESIDENT
VICENTE FOX, MEXICO (through translator): Certainly there is a new
attitude; there is a new way of approaching things -- much more
positive approach to things on this issue of migration.
KING: But
for all the symbolism of the visit, the strikes in Iraq turned
attention to Mr. Bush's first test as commander in chief, and on a
national security team with two Gulf War veterans: National Security
Adviser Condoleezza Rice and retired general and now Secretary of
State Colin Powell.
(END
VIDEOTAPE)
KING: Mr.
Bush described it all as routine; said that, in endorsing and
authorizing those military strikes, he was simply acting on the
recommendation of the military commanders in the region, not
adopting a tougher stance against Saddam Hussein. But he also left
little doubt that, if asked, he'd say yes again -- Bernie.
SHAW: John,
thanks very much with the latest from Mexico and the president's
party.
Baghdad is
condemning the allied air strike as a prelude to a holy war. Iraqi
television reports one woman was killed in the attack and a number
of other civilians wounded.
CNN's Jane
Arraf is in Baghdad -- Jane.
ARRAF:
Bernie, President Saddam Hussein has given his response to this
attack, and he says it is proof that the United States is allied
with Israel. He says, in fact, that this is not just an isolated
attack, that it appears to be a prelude to what he calls a planned
Israeli attack on the Palestinians and Arab countries.
The
president here has been trying to ally his struggle to have
sanctions lifted with the Palestinian cause, the fight against
Israel. Iraqi television has reported just a short while ago that
one woman has, indeed, died in hospital, the first reported casualty
of the bombing. It's shown other pictures of what it says are
civilians -- who appear to be civilians, women and children,
obviously, in hospital, apparently wounded in the attack. It has not
released any figures or any indications of how much damage was done,
but it has now taken reporters to the hospital where the casualties
were taken.
Iraq has
vowed to continue to try to shoot down planes in the no- fly zones
in the north and south, and it is indicating that it sees this as
the start of a continued aggression against Iraq -- Bernie.
SHAW: That
was going to be my question about President Saddam Hussein's
response -- whether he expected another coalition response similar
to today's air strikes. Is the Iraqi government saying anything
about the claims made by London and Washington about the threatening
nature of those command and control centers?
ARRAF: I'm
sorry, Bernie, could you repeat that question?
SHAW: Is the
Iraqi government saying anything in response to the claims made by
the United States and London that the command and control centers
hit actually threatened American and British pilots?
ARRAF: It
has not made any specific response to that claim, but what it will
likely say is -- to point to the U.S. statement, which says that
this attack was not in response to a specific provocation, but to a
series of what it calls provocations.
Iraq, of
course, says that when the U.S. attacks -- when it says it's
attacking in response to provocations -- Iraq isn't being
provocative, it is simply defending itself. It sees these -- it sees
the U.S. and the British flights in its airspace as not only a
violation of its airspace, but a continuing war. There have been
almost daily bombings, daily air clashes going on in the north and
south for almost the past two years. Most of these are going
unreported and unacknowledged, virtually, because they take place
outside of Baghdad.
Tonight, for
the first time in two years we have an air strike on the outskirts
of the capital; an air strike that has taken place outside the
no-fly zones; an attack, as Iraq sees it, on the capital itself and,
furthermore, adding a new twist to this, an attack that takes place
on Friday, the Muslim holy day, part of the religious significance
that the president is putting on this attack -- Bernie.
SHAW: Thank
you, Jane Arraf with the very latest from Baghdad, the capital of
Iraq, where it is early Saturday morning, 10 minutes after 2:00 in
the morning.
Well, we're
joined now back in the United States by Senator Sam Brownback,
Republican of Kansas, a member of the Senate Foreign Relation
Committee. Senator, your first reaction and did you get a heads-up?
SEN. SAM
BROWNBACK (R), KANSAS: Well, my first reaction is that this is
probably a good, positive move by the United States to say to Saddam
Hussein that we are not going to tolerate your locking onto our
planes. We're not going to tolerate your violating of the U.N.
agreement, the thing that you signed onto, and I think it's a good,
positive step by President Bush.
I don't
think it should be over-read as saying, OK, this signals a huge
escalation or anything else. I think it's just a positive, firm step
that President Bush is taking, and I think it looks like it was
conducted well.
SHAW: The
sanctions against the Iraqi regime, U.S. Secretary of State Colin
Powell going to the region in a matter of days. CNN State Department
correspondent Andrea Koppel reporting that Mr. Powell is very
concerned about the sagging sanctions, the fact that France has
stepped back. How might this strike affect these sanctions in the
region, especially among the Arab nations?
BROWNBACK:
That's an excellent point because for the past two or three years,
really, the sanctions regime has been falling apart from the closer
neighbors to Saddam Hussein and now a broader effort and it's just
been sagging and loosely falling apart. That was one of my big
criticisms in the foreign relations area of President Bill Clinton.
Either let's
be robust in our efforts to get Saddam Hussein out of power or let's
walk on away from him. But instead, this thing just kind of sagged
and moved away from us. I hope that what takes place with this
strike and with the administration meeting with the Iraqi National
Congress, this is the groups, the opposition groups to Saddam
Hussein and signaling the potential of supporting those groups
within Iraq that it will tell our allies and people in the region
that there is a different president, that we are going to work
towards getting Saddam Hussein out of power, and that hopefully that
might bolster those sanction regimes to continue.
SHAW: I have
a very simplistic question to put to you, senator: How long will
this running confrontation between this leader in the United States
and the leader in Baghdad go on? How long? It's been 10 years now.
BROWNBACK:
We're in our third president since this started, and I would hope
really that within, you know, a fairly short period of time, within
the next couple of years, we'd resolve either we move forward to
removing Saddam Hussein, which is the past law and stated policy of
this country, or we say, you know, look, we're just going to contain
him and it will eventually wear off.
But we go
one way or the other. It is 10 years. We've spent billions of
dollars and at the end of the day, we did liberate Kuwait, but
within the region, there's still this seething problem and it's
Saddam Hussein.
SHAW: Well,
you just used the verb remove. When you say remove Saddam Hussein,
what are you saying?
BROWNBACK:
Well, I'm saying that when we passed the Iraqi Liberation Act and
the president, then-President Clinton signed that into law, he
stated then our long-term objectives were to get Saddam Hussein out
of power in that country. That was what the stated objective was.
That was what that was passed about.
And the
problem, Bernie, is Saddam Hussein. It's not the Iraqi people. So I
think that our long-term effort has to be to say Saddam Hussein has
caused countless numbers of death, great hardship, has invaded a
neighbor and continues to develop weapons of mass destruction that
will threaten that region, our allies and the rest of the world.
He's the
problem, and that's where we should address it. I'm not suggesting
anything of a covert action. What I'm saying is the overt action of
supporting the Iraqi National Congress in the north and the south to
hopefully eventually squeeze Saddam out.
SHAW:
Senator Sam Brownback, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee, speaking to us from his home state. Thank you very much
for joining us.
BROWNBACK:
Thank you, Bernie.
SHAW: Quite
welcome. And INSIDE POLITICS will be right back.
(COMMERCIAL
BREAK)
SHAW: We
have on the telephone an Albuquerque, New Mexico reporter. His name
is Bob Martin. He's from KRQE-TV. He is not in New Mexico. He is in
Adana, Turkey at the base from which New Mexico Air National
Guardsman have been flying in the northern no-fly zone of Iraq.
Bob Martin,
first of all, I'm wondering what's the reaction among the pilots and
the flight crews there to what happened over Iraq today?
BOB MARTIN,
WRGE-TV CORRESPONDENT: You know, Bernie, the pilots and crews just
keep telling me over and over again they're not involved in the
politics. They get their orders from the higher-ups and they go out
and execute the plans that they're given.
Off-the-record and kind of off to the side, you just get a sense
from them that they are happy when some of these more sophisticated
surface-to-air missile sites and radar sites and such get taken out
because it's very dangerous. I've been flying with them along the
northern no-fly zone, and in riding with them and monitoring their
radio frequencies, virtually every day that they go in they get shot
it and that is both by AAA, the anti-aircraft artillery and by
surface-to-air missiles and they very, very, very seldom shoot back.
Amazing
restraint, Bernie, by these pilots who are constantly being shot at
to not fire back most of the time. It's very rare that they actually
go in, as you know and make a strike on one of these sites.
SHAW:
Interesting insight from Bob Martin from KRQE-TV in Albuquerque, New
Mexico. Thanks very much for joining us. We're going to have to move
on because we have a satellite coming up out of London. Thanks very
much, Bob.
As we have
reported, this day's mission over Iraq included both U.S. and
British warplanes. We return now to London where CNN's Christiane
Amanpour is once again standing by -- Christiane.
AMANPOUR:
Well, Bernie, as we've been saying, really the United States can
only count on Britain these days to be its staunch ally in military
affairs against Iraq and in maintaining sanctions. The Ministry of
Defense here confirming that six British bombers did take part in
this air-raid, that they struck the targets inside Iraq, returned to
their bases safely.
They won't
be able to do full bomb damage assessment until the daylight hours.
But they believe, they say, that they did strike their targets
successfully and they said that all the targets were carefully
assessed by experts over a period of days specifically to avoid
civilian casualties.
The Downing
Street spokesman for Prime Minister Blair says that this attack was
what they called a measured and targeted response to an increased
threat from Iraq that they had been determining over the last month
-- Bernie.
SHAW: OK,
thank you. Christiane Amanpour with the latest from London. In just
a moment, a look at dealing with Iraq, past and present. David Ensor
on the political options of the Bush administration.
(COMMERCIAL
BREAK)
SHAW: The
current Bush administration inherits the relationship with Iraq
shaped by the policies of the Clinton administration and the
previous Bush administration. In view of that, CNN's David Ensor
examines President George W. Bush's options in dealing with the
leader of Iraq.
(BEGIN
VIDEOTAPE)
DAVID ENSOR,
CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The last time U.S. and allied
warplanes attacked targets above the 33rd parallel was Operation
Desert Fox in 1998. After less than a month in office, a new
president has authorized it again. He and his team have said there
will be a tougher policy towards Iraq until it lets arms inspectors
back in.
COLIN
POWELL, SECRETARY OF STATE: Until he satisfies the international
community that he does not have such weapons, is not developing such
weapons, we have a goal to make sure that we keep the pressure on.
ENSOR: Bush
aides say the tougher approach they plan is in the national
interest, nothing personal. But the president can hardly have
forgotten that in 1993, U.S. intelligence said Iraqi agents had
plotted to kill his father, the former president, while in Kuwait.
Coincidence
or not, as the latest U.S. strike was under way, leaders of the
opposition Iraqi National Congress were in the State Department in
Washington, discussing new funds from the Bush administration for
radio broadcasts against the government of Saddam Hussein, to
collect intelligence and evidence of war crimes in Iraq and to
distribute humanitarian aid.
AHMAD
CHALABI, IRAQI NATIONAL CONGRESS: The air strikes of the United
States against Saddam's targets today in Iraq are, I believe, part
of a new active policy which will help the Iraqi people remove
Saddam from power.
ENSOR: The
Bush administration says it wants international arms inspectors
readmitted to Iraq. But the former deputy chief of UNSCOM says
that's not worth doing unless they would have some firm guarantees.
CHARLES
DUELFER, FORMER DEPUTY CHAIRMAN, UNSCOM: They'd better be very, very
serious weapons inspectors. They'd better have access because the
experience that UNSCOM had, the experience that the countries in the
region have had at the hands of the Iraqis doesn't bode well for the
future.
ENSOR (on
camera): Weapons inspectors again? Tightened sanctions? None of this
will be an easy sell to Iraq's neighbors whom the secretary of state
will be visiting next week. Saddam Hussein has been very successful
of late exploiting Arab anger at Israel and turning it against
Israel's friend, the United States.
David Ensor,
CNN, Washington.
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SHAW: And
that concludes this edition of INSIDE POLITICS. But of course, you
can go online all the time at CNN's allpolitics.com; AOL key word,
CNN.
Please stay
with CNN throughout night and weekend for the very latest on the air
strike against Iraq. At 7:30 p.m. Eastern, Bush campaign foreign
policy adviser Richard Pearl will be the guest on "CROSSFIRE." At
8:00 p.m., Clinton National Security Adviser Samuel Berger joins
Wolf Blitzer. Former United Nations Iraqi weapons inspector Scott
Ritter talks with Greta Van Susteren at 8:30. "LARRY KING LIVE": He
will have live reports from Baghdad at 9:00 p.m., and Bill Hemmer
anchors a one-hour special at 10:00 p.m. on the air strike against
Iraq.
I'm Bernard
Shaw in Washington. "MONEYLINE" is next.
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