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Nouri
al-Malaki:
"...I spared Iraq a Sectarian War"
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Iraqi prime minister, Nouri Al-Maliki asserted that national
conciliation is his good choice to resolve political and
security conflicts. In an interview with Al-Hayat in New York
where he was attending the UN General Assembly session, he
stated that militias are an alien phenomenon that he will fight
along with every outlaw, be it Sunni or Shiite. He denied that
his cabinet has failed because the destruction inherited from
the previous regime and caused by the militias is too massive.
He added, "I saved Iraq from a sectarian war."
While he expressed his reservations toward the Iranian
and Syrian roles in Iraq, Al-Maliki felt a positive change in
both countries. He also pledged that his cabinet will not allow
any intervention in its affairs nor would it allow Iraq to turn
into a launch pad for a US attack on any country in the region. Below is the full transcript of the interview:
Raghida Dergham: Anything new with respect to
national conciliation and the relationship between the
government and the militias?
al-Malaki: I proposed a specific program
from the start and I still believe that I have no other choice.
The program is based on the principle of national conciliation.
I staunchly believe that there is no alternative to national
conciliation and political action as a solution to the security
problem.
Dergham: What about the militias?
al-Malaki: National conciliation opens the
security file. Security cannot be imposed by force. Militias
constitute an alien phenomenon that is at odds with the concept
of the state, and that cannot persist. Right now, militias have
no legal cover, and this is why I am tracking them everywhere.
Since the beginning of the confrontation, my slogan has been to
confront outlaws without discrimination among Shiites, Sunnis,
Arabs or Kurds.
Dergham: We are aware of the pressures,
reservations and objections directed at you and you are aware
that there are those who say that to an extent, you have not
honored your promises or that you have failed; do you intend to
make new proposals to wither those criticisms away?
al-Malaki: To those who say that I have
failed or whatever…I tell them that whoever takes a look at
devastation in Iraq -- whether inherited from the previous
regime, that which took place the collapse of the regime, or
that which has been inflicted by Al-Qaeda, the militias or the
gangs - knows that success achieved so far and promises honored
have saved Iraq from a sectarian war. Were it not for the
people's trust that I am not taking sides, people would have not
supported the government. It is the objectivity in our approach
to national conciliation that brought the tribes and the armed
men to join the government against Al-Qaeda. I will continue
this path. And I say: Yes, I have not achieved what I wanted. I
am still in need, and the situation still needs more effort and
time not to mention the internal and external treatment of
issues. We have a multi-dimensional domestic conflict; we have a
multi-faceted foreign conflict. This is why we are working on
improving political relations with neighboring countries which
have also had a significant impact on the security operation.
Dergham: You are aware that the US is
uncomfortable with the Iranian role in Iraq. It says that Iran
is dedicating its efforts to attack American troops…
al-Malaki: The Iraqi government did not and
will not let Iran or other parties turn Iraq into a launch pad
to attack the Americans. We have frankly and openly told them
that what we forbid them to do to Iraqis also applies to
Americans present on Iraqi territories as a result of a
contractual understanding with the Iraqi government. They are
ruled by this decision. Once the Americans are dispensable, we
will thank them dutifully.
Dergham: Do you have any reservations about the
Iranian or Syrian roles in Iraq as the US is accusing both sides
of playing a negative role?
al-Malaki: How did you conclude that I have
no reservations? I have reservations for the slightest Syrian or
Iranian intrusion. Yes, I have full reservations and I will not
allow and I will not be linked to any state that intrudes into
Iraqi borders or that interferes in Iraqi affairs.
Dergham: Has the Syrian position changed after
your visit to Damascus?
al-Malaki: In my last visit to Iran and
Syria, I had a profound feeling about good changes in the
positive direction. I will work on developing and entrenching
that because it is important for the security and stability of
the region.
Dergham: Have you asked President Assad to
deliver some of the Baath leaders?
al-Malaki: No, no. In fact, I did not ask
because I am not so interested in extradition, and the issue is
not a vendetta.
Dergham: There are many assassinations
targeting Sayyed Sistani's agents in the south; how do you
explain that?
al-Malaki: These are part of an attempt to
create security chaos in the south. Unfortunately, these
attempts are linked to bigoted and fundamentalist institutions,
not to states. They are interested in festering civil strife.
The former regime also has a hand in this process.
Dergham: Where is Izzat al-Douri?
al-Malaki: I don't know!
Dergham: Don't you have any intelligence
reports?
al-Malaki: We do; sometimes we know that he
is in this or that state, but I certainly am not that interested
in him.
Dergham: It was previously said that the
military intelligence located him in Yemen. Is this true?
al-Malaki: Yes, he was in Yemen for a
while. He was in Syria for a while. He stayed in Saudi Arabia
for a while, which means that he is on the move according to
incoming reports. I cannot confirm 100%. In fact, I am
uninterested in him and I do not follow up on his affairs.
Dergham: Do you think that the US
administration has decided to give your government an ultimatum?
al-Malaki: I hope that you reporters will
get out of this issue. Al-Maliki's cabinet does not take a
license or get an ultimatum. Al-Maliki's cabinet is elected. An
entire nation was behind the elections; the people set the
limits.
Dergham: Do you sense that the Americans want a
quick exit out of Iraq?
al-Malaki: Yes, and the problem lies in the
dates, because the exist is linked to finding a replacement to
fill the security gap. There is talk about filling security
gaps. Who fills the vacuum? It is the Iraqi troops. We have a
problem but it is continuously diminishing, especially with
respect to arming and equipping the troops. These will be
completed. There also is talk about transferring
responsibilities and the responsibility for security in the
different provinces. I think this will not take long, but in
principle, the Americans are looking for the appropriate
opportunity to get out, but they do not want an exit that will
leave a security vacuum behind.
Dergham: How would you assess al-Qaeda's
current situation in Iraq?
al-Malaki: Al-Qaeda's situation is
currently very confused. They used to have secure bases,
prisons, courts and systems that they had installed in several
areas including Al-Anbar, Diala, Mosul, and north of Babel, but
now they have nowhere to go. Currently, they are moving toward
al-Mosul, but I am after them.
Dergham: Are they exiting or escaping Iraq?
Where to?
al-Malaki: They are exiting. We have
information that we have given to some governments, information
about al-Qaeda moving or partially transferring its activities
to prove its existence.
Dergham: Where to?
al-Malaki: They escaped to Iran, to Syria,
to Lebanon, and to Saudi Arabia. Some of them have returned to
Al-Maghreb to Algeria. We have reported this information to all
these states to keep them on alert.
Dergham: Do you have any information that they
plan to move in Syria or Lebanon for example?
al-Malaki: Yes, yes, and we have informed
other parties as well because we are aware that fighting
terrorism is an international responsibility and that whoever
has any information about a terrorist organization or cell must
report it. A few days ago, I recommended and ordered the
delivering of a complete file on Al-Qaeda to Algeria because of
the Al-Qaeda's intention to launch major assaults there.
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